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Show{Hornsby} 1991-06-24: Sandstone Ampitheater, Bonner Springs KS [SBD: 90843]
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DescriptionGrateful Dead
Sandstone Amphitheater
Bonner Springs, Kansas
6/24/91
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Fix of shnid 2533

I've deleted the overlap in space between CDs 2 and 3, making the transition seamless. I also retracked the entire show, since many of the trackings were off, which led me to the gaps between tracks in most of set I (which I eliminated in Cool Edit 2000). Although it looks unclipped when viewed in CE2K, when you zoom in on the loudest parts you can see the truncated peaks and valleys indicative of clipping - if the source info is correct then it probably happened during taping, in the DAT deck's A/D conversion process, not in the transfer (though I don't know from DATs - I use a laptop myself). Overall, it's still pretty decent sounding. There are also three very good AUD sources on archive.org, so make sure to check those out as well.

Jim Mahoney's FOB recording (shnid 21648) supplies the first few seconds of Around & Around.

All files were converted to FLAC

Bill Tetzeli (btet@adelphia.net)
7:04 PM 6/21/2006
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Fix of shnid 35251

35251 was inadvertently FLAC encoded with replaygain. This source reflac's the above fix with no replaygain. The wav files are the same as in 35251, only the flac files have changed.
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Source: DSBD>DAT>CDR>WAV>SHN

AUD patch source: FOB AKG 460 cardioid > DAT > CDDAT > CD: Panasonic sv3700 > Cool Edit Pro > CD Wave > mkw

Edit: SHN > WAV > FLAC

DISC ONE
Set One
1. Tuning
2. Help on the Way>
3. Slipknot!>
4. Franklins Tower
5. C.C. Rider>
6. It Takes A Lot to Laugh (It Takes a Train to Cry)
7. Me and My Uncle>
8. Big River
9. Althea>
10. Promised Land

DISC TWO
Set Two
1. Tuning>
2. Chinacat Sunflower>
3. I Know You Rider
4. Estimated Prophet>
5. Supplication jam>
6. Uncle John's Band>
7. Drums>

DISC THREE
Set Two cont...
1. Space>
2. The Other One>
3. Morning Dew
Encore:
4. Around and Around*

*First few seconds patched with FOB


DAE(EAC) and SHN Encoding by Jeff M.
Email fy1220_jeffm@snet.net or Lost_Sailor1620@hotmail.com

Known flaws:
-frequent clipping until last verse of I Know You Rider
-sudden dropoff in volume (~2 db) at end of "March wind gonna blow all my troubles away" (d2t03) - presumably the taper suddenly noticed the clipping and corrected the recording volume.

FLAC fingerprint:

gd91-06-24d1t01.flac:77ce1518da7e1d280da96a8592b49732
gd91-06-24d1t02.flac:c5748136318a77a646d16b0387363832
gd91-06-24d1t03.flac:7091e4825bb07159b0a8771f167dc375
gd91-06-24d1t04.flac:4c42b3f95a290de6528e77ba0739bf48
gd91-06-24d1t05.flac:f378d2058c5d85439c76ccae9aa08ea9
gd91-06-24d1t06.flac:b7d974d83e9837da26cb4435a519f293
gd91-06-24d1t07.flac:99e4a3e7f11580f1b17491e5bc1f47fe
gd91-06-24d1t08.flac:25345a143f010147f3360f9fae710b01
gd91-06-24d1t09.flac:1066096b6ead58796b5a8eb2a9a757c0
gd91-06-24d1t10.flac:83b09f8dadb22eb78b1ccbfb1fb9ef36
gd91-06-24d2t01.flac:13a033cc4a90b316383f753a13026f66
gd91-06-24d2t02.flac:446d82857c0c5aae1e8cc946fc976892
gd91-06-24d2t03.flac:82c4751bfbebeb394cb3b7651450a6c9
gd91-06-24d2t04.flac:841693c912546fdd84da3442b11e5894
gd91-06-24d2t05.flac:047eb1ebb5e3368fb68cd53e8c3cf16d
gd91-06-24d2t06.flac:9dac0959f071f7ce5542f63beaaba3cf
gd91-06-24d2t07.flac:bdd7992d9b5bfd50510e71e214f1634d
gd91-06-24d3t01.flac:8a879d7e220a5102a12aaa837254c60e
gd91-06-24d3t02.flac:4539c12bbd4fef0310665ff845d3a003
gd91-06-24d3t03.flac:e5ec2c78a1655fe0b24070d9a4e71844
gd91-06-24d3t04.flac:089d389e4955b4591150fa136e048ab4

shntool output:

length expanded size cdr WAVE problems fmt ratio filename
2:04.00 21873644 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.4162 gd91-06-24d1t01.flac
3:34.16 37787276 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5924 gd91-06-24d1t02.flac
6:56.05 73394204 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5857 gd91-06-24d1t03.flac
19:04.58 201938060 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5991 gd91-06-24d1t04.flac
6:51.47 72610988 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5955 gd91-06-24d1t05.flac
6:12.27 65684348 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5676 gd91-06-24d1t06.flac
3:07.63 33135020 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.6105 gd91-06-24d1t07.flac
7:01.59 74403212 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5851 gd91-06-24d1t08.flac
8:26.22 89310188 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.6062 gd91-06-24d1t09.flac
5:21.61 56768932 B -b- -- ---xx flac 0.6388 gd91-06-24d1t10.flac
2:13.37 23548268 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.4370 gd91-06-24d2t01.flac
7:00.62 74233868 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.6202 gd91-06-24d2t02.flac
8:00.68 84831980 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.6011 gd91-06-24d2t03.flac
12:52.50 136298444 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5921 gd91-06-24d2t04.flac
2:35.71 27509036 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5856 gd91-06-24d2t05.flac
13:53.56 147072956 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5939 gd91-06-24d2t06.flac
11:10.57 118322108 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.4953 gd91-06-24d2t07.flac
9:39.42 102234428 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.4838 gd91-06-24d3t01.flac
10:40.46 113004236 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5761 gd91-06-24d3t02.flac
12:59.35 137497964 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5447 gd91-06-24d3t03.flac
6:38.19 70252092 B -b- -- ---xx flac 0.6283 gd91-06-24d3t04.flac
166:27.02 1761711252 B 0.5755 (21 files)
TypeGrateful Dead
Last seederLast activity 4 days, 09:50:56 ago
Size966.89 MB (1013856997 Bytes)
Added2008-03-16 22:46:07
Views0
Hits904
Snatched399 times
Upped bySteveSw
Num files24 files
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SteveSw 2008-03-16 23:00:48
This is "fix" night at the Hornsby project.

=====

1991-06-22, Soldier's Field, Chicago IL

If all we had was the first set of the Chicago show on 91-06-22, we'd be talking about it still. The Shakedown Street, The Friend of the Devil, the Let It Grow -- the set started great, and it got better. But then the first set was followed by an absolutely stunning second set, long and really really well played. This is a show you want to own.

Unfortunately, we only have one source for it, the SBD 485. At some point someone cleaned up the tracking on 485 and seeded it -- it became 29057. A month or two ago, bheath seeded a cleanup of 29057, converting it to flac and fixing the wav problems. That seed is available here:

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=513508

I've got some bandwidth behind it: if you didn't already grab it, you really really should fix that right now ;)

=====

1991-06-24 Sandstone Ampitheater, Bonner Springs KS
(this torrent)

I am a huge fan of Help > Slipknot > Franklin's. This show opens with a very strong one, filled with lots of interesting jamming, the band announcing that the groove they've been on for the past week is not done yet. The west of the first set lives up to this level -- each song is well played, and most have noteworthy jams. The second set has some great jamming, the chinacat > rider segue and estimated both being worthy of note. The second half of the second set looks short, but it's sweet.

There's a nice aud of this show available up on the LMA:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd91-06-24.fob-akg-mahoney-oneill.miller.28394.sbeok.shnf

We also have a sbd. Bill Tetzeli fixed up the tracking and the second set tape-flip. His original fix was mistakenly flac'ed with replaygain set. In this source he fixed that problem: it has the same wav files (and so the same ffp) but different flac metadata (and therefor a different md5).
the_hawaiian_barber 2008-03-16 23:15:31
The return of the Tetzeli's. The pollution never stops.
jerrygar1 2008-03-16 23:29:45
I'm not sure what the problem is 'cause i'm still gettin' the hang of all this in terms of specificity - well - w/ the md5 tech stuff anyway. I have that show that bheath put up in w/ the fixes & i have no problems w/ it that i know of. Am I missin' somethin'? - Is that why it was skipped here? - Anyway, thanx Steve for all this great stuff. It all will never cease to amaze me how far this community goes, w/ people like ureself for example, to keep the great energy of this music alive. People keep tellin' me so much 'bout Hendrix lately & after listenin' to these Hornsby shows coupled w/ that 71 new years posted the other day, The Grateful Dead just always stand alone (ok - Dylan too). Good evenin' & thanx 'gain.
mdarby 2008-03-16 23:52:39
the SBD DAT that I had years ago seemed as though the master had been overmodulated during recording

this was a great show during an awesome week that summer tour
but don't let the comments about the sound scare you off
it is still worth the download and the next night is even better
SteveSw 2008-03-16 23:59:31
JerryGar1, there's no problem with the BHeath torrent. I didn't skip it. It's running right now. I gave the link to it in my comment:

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=513508

I look to be one of seven or eight people seeding it right now. There's no reason to create a new torrent when there's already one running, is all.


Hawaiian_Barber, my experiments show that when I skip the BTet sources, fewer people grab the music. The purpose of this here project is to get the music to as many people as possible. Hence the Tetzeli's.
jerrygar1 2008-03-17 00:04:10
sorry Steve - i realized that after i already had sent the comment - thanx for the always great feedback & commentary on the shows
lyall70 2008-03-17 00:33:54
Steve,

Based on your original comments, would that mean that this is: http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=90843? And not 35251, right?

Thanks for the great seeding idea!!

Mike
NH_Winters 2008-03-17 00:58:53
Steve:

Thanks so much for this project and for your thoughtful running commentary. I really enjoy reading your show reviews and the context you provide. It's folks like you that make the Dead experience that much richer for me.

Well done.
fwagner.etree 2008-03-17 02:02:27
This and the next night are both incredible shows! It's a small venue like Deer Creek and the band just kicked ass! I was fortunate enough to be at both shows.
SteveSw 2008-03-17 02:12:10
You're right, lyall70: when I first submitted this I didn't know whether or not it would get a new SHNID.
the_hawaiian_barber 2008-03-17 09:51:16
One of the challenges that uploaders face is what to upload. I'm certain that more people do download these than the original source. I think that in the bittorrent age that a lot of people suffer from "hysterical download-itis". That is they see something that they don't have and the just grab it. It doesn't matter what it is. A lot of people do not make value judgements. Someone should.

Looking at the number of downloads isn't the solution, IMO. The question that needs to be asked is is it significant to create 2 new sources that are essentially the same as the original ust to trim a minute or so off of drums > space.
mdarby 2008-03-17 10:32:35
it seems that MORE than just the overlap between D>S was done to this show
actually in today's day and age we don't need such overlap
since alot of people don't burn to CD anymore
also the songs were tracked wrong... I'm glad that was fixed
many of us do not have this in FLAC since LMA does not allow D/Ling of SBDs
so I am grateful to have this source
SteveSw 2008-03-17 10:34:57
I was thinking about this overnight, Hawaiian Barber. There are two questions: the SHNID strategy question, and the question of what I should seed as part of my project.

The SHIND strategy question is the business of the people who monitor the Grateful Dead collection at eTree. Speaking practically, I think it's their business to make a call about these things, and it's my/our business to understand what they want to do, and to try to cooperate with them. There are a lot of more or less equally good ways they might proceed, and having us all argue about their relative merits just adds unnecessary heat to the community. For a while, the policy was to add new fingerprints to existing SHNIDs to illustrate that a "fix" was not really a new source. This is confusing in its own right: now the theory is that new fingerprints mean a new SHNID. Myself, I can understand either position: I look to the moderators to tell me what they want to do, and I try to do it.

The "what should I seed at eTree" question is a matter of ongoing thought and learning for me. That's because, ultimately, I think the right answer there is that I have to seed what I take to be the best available source. The issue of whether Bill should or should not have done his fixes is moot at this point: he did, the moderators accepted them, and now that's water under the bridge. When thinking about seeding, I ask myself whether the Bill fix is "better" than the other source. In this case the fix is a matter of retracking (in the first case) and then removing bad metadata from the flac files (in this second case). Neither of those has an impact on the music, and they are improvements (however mild), so I think this source is "the best" and that's why I seeded it. The question of what the SHNID of this should be does not enter into my consideration -- it would be wrong IMHO to not share an even slightly better source because of issues surrounding SHNIDs. The question of what the SHNID should be comes into consideration after I decide to seed, and it involves how to interact with the moderators.

There are other sorts of improvements that are less obvious and more a matter of taste, when it comes to thinking about what to seed. Patches can be done well or poorly. Repitching a 16-bit source and distributing it as 16-bit involves loss of data that even I can hear. If I had to choose between AUDs and SBDs here, and could only seed one source, that would be problematic sometimes (it's fortunate we have the LMA). When faced with the choice between SBDs and MTXs, I have so far chosen to share both (doesn't come up much, as there are not many post-1990 MTXs).

So anyway, that's how I think of this. I may change my mind in the future: I'm still learning. But it's useful to try to get clear on the matter, and I appreciate the chance you've given me to do so, Mr Barber.

One question: are you actually Tiki Barber? Seems fitting.
foody 2008-03-17 15:22:49
steve,
this projuct is great! I was wondering where to get 91-6-20, the second pine knob show from summer of '91
thanks
bheath 2008-03-17 15:32:15
SteveSW your efforts are most appreciated.
this night was absolutely killer. munching caps and stems walking to get in line....then finding my comfy seat just as things started to swirl all around. The choice for PA music this night before the show was Axis Bold as Love...they knew I was buzzin it would seem...what a great long and jammed out H>S>F

as for gd91-06-22..I did that fix because it is such an overlooked show, and a great show as well. I have no clue as for the protocol for getting a new SHNID...I asked for help with that when I upped gd910-06-21 and got none, so that is why it is floating out there with no SHNID.
That Terrapin from Soldier may be one of the best EVER, certainly top 5 ever, and maybe the best of the 90's surpassing Deer Creek 93...then drumz and space into a sweet Dark Star Jam.....
Soldier Field and the two Sandstone shows are desert island stuff for me.

If anyone can help me ge a new SHNID for the Soldier Field fix.....please let me know and we can exchange emails thanks.
and Thanks again Steve!!
SteveSw 2008-03-17 16:13:31
foody, 91-06-20 is available for sale from dead.net. You can buy a copy right here:

http://tinyurl.com/2wctcw


BHeath, your fix was rolled up as part of 29057. Look here:

http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=29057

You can find your new fingerprint as a "sbefix" fingerprint on that SHNID.
1zeppelin2 2008-03-17 20:41:46
Is it worth to have 2 copies when you have essentially the same source? I say yes. It's not about downloaditis but it's a matter of what is important to folks. The great power of the internet is we can choose to download the show or NOT. Not a bad deal these days.


SW,

Thanks for your hard work.



For others,


Try collecting LED ZEPPELIN :( Remember your prozzak pills first!!

Let's enjoy the excellent music and generosity of these great uploaders :)
daverdave 2008-03-17 21:17:38
Just want to say thanks to SteveSw, your work is much appreciated...

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