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| Artist | Grateful Dead |
| Show | {DttC019} Noteworthy Bird Songs (A Collection) |
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| Description | Grateful Dead
Dead To The Core
Noteworthy Bird Songs
This is a collection of noteworthy versions of Bird Song played by the Grateful Dead. It is very closely based on a list put together by Eric Wybenga and published in his book _Dead To The Core: An Almanac of the Grateful Dead_. Two of Eric's recommendations have been released commercially. In one case (71-04-28), I substituted the version from the next night of the same run. In the other case (91-03-16), since there's another Bird Song in Eric's list from a few weeks later, I did not replace the version from Without A Net.
Bird Song was usually played "by itself", the locus of interesting first-set jamming through much of its lifetime. Occasionally Bird Song was part of a larger jam; on those occasions, I included the whole jam in this compilation.
The track names are self-explanatory: they list the date of the performance, the SHNID of the source, and shortened names of the songs included in the track. In each case, the music in these tracks is exactly the same as the music from the source indicated by the SHNID. When necessary, I joined the songs into jams using "shntool join", and then I compressed the files using "flac --best". I used shntool version 3.0.2 and flac version 1.1.3. I did not add any fades, or fix the levels across sources, or otherwise modify the music.
First shared via bitTorrent at bt.eTree.org, July 2008, by SteveSw.
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| waterman |
2008-07-13 18:15:52 |
| As far as what sum the vault, I find it unfortunate that its become such a merchandise/cash venture. At the risk of sounding heretical, I found it incredibly trite and embarrassing when the remainders started calling themselves "TheDead". The moniker "The Other Ones" was actually quite credible and tongue in cheek, but "TheDead" was nervy and a bit ungrateful. It seems about that time band members started having problems with LMA and the sbds and started selling everything they could get their hands on. Could Garcia really have been such a restraining force? I admit I dont know a whole lot about this recent scene, and that there has always been a certain amount of commerce involved(Jorma Kaukonen called it "gas money" at a show I attended a few years ago) I apologize for stepping on any toes or perhaps speaking out of ignorance. If theres any info on the last few years and an explanation for what I at least perceive, I would love to read it. It just makes me sad to think that the last bastion of the GDs music is the fans, and not so much the Band members themselves. We all gotta eat, I know, but they just seem to have compromised themselves artistically in the last 4 or 5 years to a certain degree. Im thankful for the recordings and the compilations such as this one. Its difficult for me to put a price tag on things that have value intrinsically, yknow? |
| Gallium |
2008-07-13 20:31:15 |
jerry died feeding the beast
the most important thing is that there is still music being made
thanks for the compilation |
| TheUSBlues |
2008-07-13 20:36:27 |
| Friends- don't miss the Birdsong from 10.8.84 in Worcester, the one with the Dark Star jam in the middle. Oh, you mean you haven't heard that one? |
| SteveSw |
2008-07-13 20:39:41 |
I think the Grateful Dead were always a commercial force as much as anything else. Someone else will have more data than I have at hand, but I remember back in the day that they were always in the top two or three bands every year in terms of tour revenue (they were topped by the annual megatour charing several times per ticket what the Grateful Dead charged). Over a period of years, they were the most profitable touring band going. That is not altruism, that is commercial success.
They had a unique business model, well suited to their musical talents. They realized that they were not going to churn out hits or have great success with studio recordings (the surprising success of In The Dark nonwithstanding). They were the first to have the insight that, in the digital era, if you give away everything that can be copied (music), you will maximize the revenue you can make from the experiences you create (concerts, stickers, t-shirts, etc). Paul Krugman, the New York Times economics columnist, recently noted that this is probably where most entertainers will end up. Novelists will give away their fiction, and make their livings (like Charles Dickens and Mark Twain) by their public appearances. Everyone will be the Grateful Dead.
The problem with this business plan is, it stops working when your lead guitarist dies. I think all the financial success was kind of fortunate and intuitive and idiot-savant for the band: when I say they had a business model, I don't mean they were cold and calculating, I mean that in that way (as in so many other ways) they kind of fell into a very successful pattern). What you saw over the years after Jerry died was them struggling in different ways to continue earning a living in a world where they were no longer able to make the original plan work. Leasing the vault to a record company was a way for them to monetize the music for a last time and then get out of the business forever after. What happened with the LMA was just a kind of mistake in their transition. But now they have their own bands, they are making some money, and they seem to be doing OK.
I guess I have just never bought into the myth. I think it was a tremendously successful commercial ploy that they were able to fill stadiums by convincing a relatively small number of people to go to many shows. If the music hadn't been so good, it might have made me grumpy. ;)
toomanycds, i think your list is why I shy away from putting out a second torrent with additional versions. there's really nothing to pick between the compendium lists and the deadbase lists and eric's list: they are all just more or less accurate manifestations of specific tastes or voting processes. maybe someday after this project is done, we can figure out a way to have a discussion in the forum about what are the best versions of each of these songs, and torrent them. in the meantime, i suppose i will continue just torrenting Eric's picks. If others of you want to create side torrents that augment the backbone (your own bird songs, your own dark stars), that's very cool by me. I am just putting together the soundtrack to Eric's book.
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| dourwolves |
2008-07-13 21:24:13 |
Hey Steve,
Very nice again, I'm really looking forward to hearing this one.
I agree with you that you should just stick with Eric's suggestions, it frees you from thought/flak/blame and keeps it simple. It's what makes your project so brilliant: you deliver a wonderful collection of hand-picked music to the masses and all complaints regarding content can be addressed to Mr. Eric Wybenga, c/o Random House, Inc.
And eventually people may realize this and stop nagging you for not including their favorites. But I doubt it!
-Donovan
*Really brilliant actually, with Eric's book in hand and all this music to listen to it will be the biggest Box Set of all time. All for the price of a paperback! |
| newplanet7 |
2008-07-13 22:21:16 |
funkbeard 2008-07-13 17:47:44
"the Watkins Glen soundcheck Bird Song is also notable"
QFMFT.
One of my favs, for sure!
-todd |
| SteveSw |
2008-07-13 22:29:25 |
i don't mind thinking so much, it happens all the time, in fact it's harder to stop than not if you know what i mean. but there are two reasons why i wouldn't be any good at coming up with a personal best of list. one is, i'm not a "this is better than that" sort of guy in the music way, i'm more of a "this is good and that is good" sort. another is, there were something like 2000 shows, i'm not sure i will ever get familiar enough with the whole body of work to hold it in my head all at once and offer up a comparative opinion. it's hard enough answering questions like "which year is better, 1983 and 1984", and there were only 30 years....
You guys know about these pages, right?
http://db.etree.org/shnlist.php?year=1971&artist=2
There's a link like that for every year. You go to that link, and there's an entry for each source in the database for each show. Many/most of the entries have a little llama-head over to the left (yes that's what that is). If you click on that, you go to the LMA page for that source, where you can download or stream it depending on whether or not it's an AUD. The point being, if someone suggests a Bird Song in these comments and you've never heard it before, you can go to a link like that and then find a source for the show and check it out. That's one of the benefits of the LMA.... |
| toomanycds |
2008-07-13 22:33:04 |
| I hope I didn't come across as aking for a second torrent of the Taper's Compendium recommendations. I thought I would add it to the discussion as another set of "Best ofs" or an add'l set to investigate. Great series using Eric's ideas. |
| SteveSw |
2008-07-13 22:40:58 |
no, no, it's all cool, toomanycds. i was just having one of those moments where i was considering doing a very foolish thing, and your comment saved me from the abyss. i appreciate it!
i think getting these other ideas written down so that people can explore them on the LMA or in their own collections is a very cool thing.
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| wanx |
2008-07-14 00:07:26 |
I know this takes us a little off topic to go in and reconsider the Grateful Dead and their relationship to commerce/business, but it's a tangent that has interested me since OutOfIraq (who deserves some good vibes, as I understand it) brought it up a few torrents back.
I understand completely that the Grateful Dead provided and continue to provide meaningful work for a variety of people, and that this organization requires a continued source of income. I think it is sad that continue this revenue stream seems to chip away at the Grateful Dead hobbyist community (I mean no offense by using the word "hobbyist").
Part of what I'm thinking about is when all my friends and I back in college first found 11-11-73 (I'm just a young pup; I'll admit that I downloaded it), and how we copied it for one another for road trips, etc. And there was some magic there that this show was free, and that it was ours to share, that we were somehow co-owners, co-conspirators, in the whole universe of the music both within and beyond the borders of that particular Winterland show, even though we were so far removed from the conditions in which it was made. To a certain extent that's still possible, but a lot of those shows that are entry points for so many of us who were never able to see the Grateful Dead in the flesh have now become unshareable--and there's something a little sad to me about that.
For example, why not release shows from the vault that are in lower circulation, or are circulated only as AUDs, or partial SBDs. 11-08-70, for example? There's a way to balance the legitimate desire to continue to provide work for a lot of people, and the concerns of the community which supports those people financially.
I know, this is way off topic, and maybe a little bit of a touchy area with lots of folks. But, I'm curious to continue the conversation, either on this torrent or a later one. Thanks to Steve's amazing efforts, I know this won't be the last chance to talk about it...
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| supershineon |
2008-07-14 05:45:55 |
"most surprising absences are ... all the Bobby jam tunes: Estimated, WRS, Cassidy"
I love DttC, but I get the feeling that Eric is not a Bobby fan. Quite often, when Bobby is doing something amazing, Eric makes it sound like an accident. And he's note alone in that. Maybe the group dynamic demands a certain 'lightness', someone to joke about, but it's quite ironic given that Bobby contributes many of the Dead's darkest songs (lyrically anyway - Estimated, Victim, Bucket, Mexicali, to name just a few). Maybe the casting was fated the day Bob took a look at his jeans and thought, hmm, you know, I reckon they'll look better if they were shorts.... |
| waterman |
2008-07-14 19:48:53 |
| 11-8-70. I got that originally at a yard sale in a box of tapes that a head was selling(gasp!) to help he and his wife move from VT to California. It was the same old copy we probably all had. Then, another source was found years later which became part of The Port Chester Project. Major upgrade. Plus the NRPS set. Great show which was plagued by a marginal recording upgraded! This is what collecting is all about. I cant put a money value on that feeling. And thats what it all comes down to in the end isnt it? The love of great music played by a band we can empathize with. Or perhaps the sense that they can empathize with us? The message seems to be clear. Community. Relating to one another. Meeting new people. Trying to get along despite the differences we may have with one another. It becomes a way of life to a degree. Many psychologists have discovered a phenomenon that occurs while watching our favorite programs on TV, we actually form a bond with fictional characters and have the same emotional reaction to seeing them every week as we would to seeing our own friends or family. Pretty weird! The same could be applied to Band members weve never met. We think we know them because of stage mannerisms or sharing some inside joke, or reading an interview or press release. but we really dont. The GD is a band that rarely spoke to their audience or even acknowledged our presence and we hang on every note. An emotional bond is present. Its always been more than just the music. When capitalism is introduced into the relationship, a certain amount of trust and integrity is subtracted. It becomes a bit sordid.( In my opinion.) Not that I begrudge anyone a living. But hawking mugs,stickers and t shirts some how darkens the emotional friendship I feel comes out of music. Even FM radio, which for about 20 minutes, used to be a force for introducing good music and a feeling of community, has soiled itself and become a shameful whore to big business and fad. The illusion of integrity has indeed been shattered. To rename themselves "The Dead", they sort of fell into that mire. And to pull the sbds was a slap into the faces of all the people who took the time to remaster and EQ alot of those shows, or strung incomplete shows together to form a complete show. Ratdog was doing ok. Phil and Friends was certainly doing ok. Even The OtherOnes could have kept going. What a great name. A bit bitter, perhaps, but a great tongue in cheek moniker. But, "The Dead"? The "Boys" were never real long on imagination, but that was completely trite. And kind of full of themselves. That was like saying: "We are here for everything we didnt get because of Garcia and his lack of motivation." But look: This is just my take on that. Its not meant to offend sensibilities. Its just an attempt to respond to the previous commenter and to keep an open dialog going. Im thankful to all the tapers past and present and to all the torrenters who continually put their best stuff up. Here, its still free. Here, the illusion of integrity is a little harder to shake. Cheers. |
| dourwolves |
2008-07-14 21:42:43 |
Waterman,
I think you hit the nail right on the head with the TV comparison. And I'm sure the same thing goes for music fans, perhaps even more so, since you can go and see your favorite musicians in the flesh (and pay them money for the privelege). The longer this goes on, the deeper the bond, and this can lead to some fairly demented behavior from folks who don't have a healthy outlook. From small stuff like bitching about what Bobby "owes" them to hiding in Britney's bushes in Malibu or trying to stab George Harrison. But these guys are just entertainers, you pay for a ticket, and they play for you, you buy an LP and you can keep it forever, that's all she wrote. But people lose perspective. You don't eat a nice meal in a restaurant and go back a week later demanding a free meal because you're hungry again. They lock you up for that.
And I think that it's important to remember that no matter how many years you followed the Dead or how hard you worked on remastering a tape, we wouldn't have any of it without those Boys, and they worked damned hard for us, half of them worked themselves to death for crying out loud and I say they deserve every penny and more!
And it's fun to get packages in the mail from the Grateful Dead, it's like Christmas to me.
There's no shame in merchandise, people beg for that stuff. Who doesn't want a nice Grateful Dead tee shirt? It's not like people are tricked into buying it or don't know any better, like the dunderheads who kill themselves with McDonalds or believe they really won a free computer and click on the poisoned link.
And I don't mean to step on any toes, I think this is a great topic and I'm just piping in!
And yes indeed waterman, thank God for all the tapers and seeders, what an embarrassment of riches!
Cheers,
Donovan |
| wanx |
2008-07-15 12:39:27 |
I'm not of the opinion that the Grateful Dead owes anything to its fan/hobbyist community--though, I think an argument can certainly be made that it does. (It would go something like this: without the massive network of tapers, traders, and tour-geeks, there would never have been quite the same demand for the scores of Dick's Picks, the massive Box Sets, or archival release series that are basically pure profit for record companies.)
To me, it's the particular direction that I see in the recent wave of recommitment to commercialism on the part of the business side of the Dead and Rhino that sort of gets me down. I don't begrudge the never-ending streams of archival releases, or even the removal of all the SBDs on the LMA. What I'm talking about is this recent trend to release big runs, with big price tags, and remove some really fine material from circulation among people like us. In 2000 or thereabouts, I was really getting into the Dead, and downloaded or traded for, the Feb-Mar 1969 Fillmore Run, which I'll go ahead and admit, was a bit outside of where my ears were able to go at the time. 8-27-72 was the one that really hooked me, to tell you the truth. Now, I really dig the 69 Dead (let's just say, my mind has expanded since I first tried to dig on it...gnome sayin?), but the only way for new ears to hear all of the music is to shell out thousands on eBay or steal it from a variety of shady torrent sites. Or get the incomplete 3CD set; the same direction seems to be gestured toward in the recent release of the Winterland Run. I don't even think it's a shame to release these high-price box sets, but I do believe there should be a more creative arrangement with the taping community (say, a 5 year moratorium on trading of commercially released SBDs; or maybe even permitting the circulation of SBDs of certain runs in spite of the commercial availability, depending on the popularity or wideness of circulation). In my last comment here, I suggested that maybe the Vault could do commercial releases of some undercirculated, or undersourced shows. (The recent Road Trips of 8-6-71 SBD, for example, is a nice release along these lines, or the Yale Bowl show in SBD.) These releases allow those folks with money to support the band and get something that they couldn't previously get.
I'm also of the mind that the consumer experience of getting the product in the mail, with its booklet, and its really polished, finished character is a valid desire to be (occasionally) fulfilled. That is to say, I also love getting mail from the GD, and that I also feel like it's Christmas. Trouble is, I'm pretty poor, and don't think it would be a very good idea to spend my scarce income on a 9 disc set of CDs. But now, because I'm poor, and got into the Dead too late, I'm no longer allowed to hear 11-10 and 11-09-73 (I'm a PhD student with a family, so please don't tell me that I should just work harder so's I can afford it...). It's not as if I think these releases and the subsequent de-circulation of recordings violates any principle of fairness, and I'm not whining that the band owes it to me. Rather, my perspective is that by putting a price tag on everything, you exclude lots of people from the community, and to me, that's a huge loss. It's now harder to spread the music and widen the community, make connections with people who have totally different life experiences. Commercial releases don't make the community aspect impossible, they just serve to shrink the number of, and probably homogenize the group of, people who are included, and make it harder to bring others into it.
And, while I'm rambling, I guess I'll just say, as well, that this--community--is what has drawn me so deeply into the DttC project, which goes to show that all my fears of the decline of the community maybe so much sound and fury (of course, it's a fairly small group of us here who all have broadband, speak English, and have enough computer literacy to use BitTorrent, meaning we're a pretty narrow slice of the world). On the other hand, another reason I'm drawn in is that I feel as though this might be my last chance to hear some of these shows, and burn a copy for the friends I meet while traveling where I may (any Deadheads in Mexico? I'd love to meet you. vivo in DF y hablo espanol; tengo una coleccion chica de dead, pero de alta calidad.) gracias a SteveSw. |
| mikeshoun |
2008-07-17 11:40:03 |
The discussion that will never end! Nice to see 6/19/89 on here, this is such a sick version - this was the run that began to turn 89 from quite ho-hum into one of the most exciting GD years ever. |
| heckler |
2008-09-28 23:22:49 |
| I can't believe no one mentioned the 4-28-91 Las Vegas version with Carlos Santana! |
| james1234567 |
2009-03-22 19:22:43 |
Thanks for all the work you do Steve. Its been nice collecting them all, but this is the only one Im missing and im stuck at 66.8% can I get a RESEED from ya or from anyone for that matter.
thanks
james1234567 |
| klf60 |
2011-03-08 10:42:09 |
| Thanks very much to the seeder(s) who have helped out over the last several weeks - and especially yesterday and today! |
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