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|Description||This is the 1st SBD to circulate for this show. |
For me, this has been very much anticipated, years in the works...
Read below notes for editor comments...
Source: SBD Unknown Taper
Lineage: ? -> CD-R (uncut waves) -> CD Player (XLR out) -> Pair Presonus EQ3B -> Presonus Blue Tube -> BBE 882i -> dbx231 -> Behringer SRC2496 (spdif out) -> M-Audio Delta 66 -> Wavelab (Ozone 4, Graphical edits) -> FlacFrontEnd -> TLH (shntool, ffp, md5)
Transfer, editing and lossless compression by mtownshend (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Little Red Rooster
Technical Problems Bobby Speaks
Me & My Uncle-> (Trippy intro and Phil)
Brown Eyed Women
Don't Ease Me In
Looks Like Rain
Box Of Rain
The Other One->
Around & Around->
Turn On Your Love Light,
E: It's All Over Now Baby Blue
Show Total: 01:36:25
1. There a number or points where there is a change in the mix. I have no clue as to why that is…maybe Healy tweaking the mix…
2. % There are two cuts in Drumz 43:17 and 44:55 (3.8 sec gap), I cross faded them and they are not noticeable unless you are listening for it.
3. While this is a dramatic improvement over the source I have (these CDr’s are quite possibly the only ones.)
4. There is some static throughout. I made 4 transfers of each disk and came up with the same static. As I mentioned earlier I was given these CD’s by Tom Morgan, 4 or so years ago and nothing has surfaced since them..
5. This may be something to seek some guidance from Charlie Miller ;), I mean, why has this show eluded the sbd til now?
The CD's were burned in way that I have never seen. you could not open them up and drag and drop. The wave on each disk appeared and was treated as it was an image. This, from my viewpoint made it only possible to transfer if it was played into your soundcard and recorded on any software capable (which is what I do for all my transfers anyway, see lineage.)
I was given the waves on three disks several years ago and at the time, this was a complicated project and I have never been happy enough to archive and seed. Basically, I was not able to make any substantial improvement on the quality, which was in the C range.
I guess that my editing (or perceived skills) have improved over the years as this transfer/re-master is fantastic! There is a bit of noise between,
There was an obvious attempt to reduce the noise on the master that I used here. I will place spectral graphs of a sample track, just because I think that it is important that this previous attempt to remove noise (worse yet, excessive processing may be at the root of the SBD quality as I got it. :(
Fortunately, most of the processing done, which was in the range of a C quality, was reversible, but with an impact on the noise. Every attempt, however small had a drastic effect on the drumz, ie... cymbals, Hi-Hats and other material in the highest range of the spectrum (see the spectral graphs linked below). (When/if you compare the original sample, look to Billy’s drum kit, most of it was not audible until I ran the edits (touring transfer and post transfer).
Anyway, The Phil Bomb is accurately represented in the low of the lows ;) Jerry is upfront in vocals and guitar (his voice sounds great!, the drumz/space is notable, particularly the space -> The Otherone. I adopted an opinion read somewhere that the best O1's are those that are given a the most time to fester a while til that bomb, well ... we have all that here. Brent and Bobby are there, as expected (Brent plays rather dark during space, an interesting treatment, found on a few other shows in this tour.
I don't sense any pitch issues, but that is by ear, which at my age, is not reliable for incremental pitch analysis. (I did adopt a tip from a fellow LL’r that involves using a guitar tuner.) It looked fine to me using this method. One great aspect of this recording is the # of gens and the total lack of any perceivable warble, which is all too common from multi-gen sources (someone in any trade of these gens always seems to store it wrong and, so we are lucky here.
I have laid the ground work for Kevin Tobin to make a matrix, dts, etc.., using this source and one or two AUDs. Please give him a shot at this before taking it on yourself. If anyone wants to modify this, feel free, but LMK, I will get you the waves from any iteration, as fast as I can. I have saved every iteration: transfer, ozone, imager, graphical edits, wave tracked and the Flac’s here
Seeded to Planet Rock on 09/09 by mtownshend
length expanded size cdr WAVE problems fmt ratio filename
15:00.46 151.51 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5860 gd87-04-10d1t01.flac
1:36.62 16.29 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5053 gd87-04-10d1t02.flac
6:53.53 69.60 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5724 gd87-04-10d1t03.flac
1:53.48 19.12 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5054 gd87-04-10d1t04.flac
3:21.61 33.95 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5911 gd87-04-10d1t05.flac
4:56.19 49.84 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5969 gd87-04-10d1t06.flac
1:15.72 12.78 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5183 gd87-04-10d1t07.flac
5:10.64 52.29 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5922 gd87-04-10d1t08.flac
6:22.48 64.37 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5920 gd87-04-10d1t09.flac
3:44.72 37.84 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5956 gd87-04-10d1t10.flac
6:15.57 63.21 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5727 gd87-04-10d2t01.flac
7:47.37 78.65 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5611 gd87-04-10d2t02.flac
0:44.29 7.47 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5202 gd87-04-10d2t03.flac
5:10.01 52.15 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5722 gd87-04-10d2t04.flac
11:12.33 113.12 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5579 gd87-04-10d2t05.flac
12:06.21 122.18 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5409 gd87-04-10d2t06.flac
7:09.08 72.19 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5282 gd87-04-10d2t07.flac
5:58.50 60.34 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5653 gd87-04-10d2t08.flac
8:40.38 87.56 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5541 gd87-04-10d2t09.flac
3:37.09 36.53 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5997 gd87-04-10d2t10.flac
5:08.18 51.85 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5986 gd87-04-10d2t11.flac
2:15.45 22.81 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5469 gd87-04-10d2t12.flac
7:19.22 73.90 MB --- -- ---xx flac 0.5713 gd87-04-10d2t13.flac
1:21.73 13.79 MB -b- -- ---xx flac 0.5320 gd87-04-10d2t14.flac
135:04.11 1363.35 MB 0.5674 (24 files)
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|thanks for all your hardwork and efforts, lookin forward to giving this a listen
|YES! I was there for this one; one of the best shows I ever saw. The second set is outrageous; look for my review of this night under the audience at archive.org.
Hot Shakedown to opewn, great Candyman, and the best Looks Like Rain I've ever heard....such earnestness.
VERY happy that the soundboards have finally ,finally surfaced. Can't wait!
Many, many thanks for this.
|thank you so much!
|HEY !! There's no "Little Red Rooster"
|ooooops "Shakedown" and "Rooster" are all on track one
|I'm sorry but I have to give this one the thumbs down. It's an audience, there's no way it's a soundboard, and there's lots of little clips, the last few seconds of "Shakedown" are clipped and a couple of minutes of "Rooster" are missing.
|No audience of this show I've ever heard has Phil so loud during the Looks Like Rain. This recording definitely has the soundboard mixed in. An early attempt at a Healy matrix of some variety, or just an open mic to get some audience in the mix? I actually enjoy hearing the audience from this show; the energy this night was insane.
The digital skips during Shakedown are annoying, as is missing the first half of Rooster, but it's still good to hear Phil in the mix a bit better.
This show would indeed be a worthy candidate for a matrix of the three known sources (2 aud's on archive plus this SBD source), but that is way beyond my skillset. Perhaps one day.
At any rate, I'm very glad this source was cleaned up as best as it could and posted. Thanks for taking the time to do it. This show always seemed to slip under the radar of a lot of folks, and I personally feel it was one of the best I saw, seconded only by the otherworldly Alpine Valley 1989 run.
|hell I've been missing this for a while now. thanks for bringing it out.
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